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Wayward Science's avatar

What a fantastic piece. I want to send it to all the anti-Zionist Jews I know.

My wife is writing a novel that peripherally takes up the holocaust. How appalling that she has had to worry about that part of the book. I myself—a mischling—have lost complete faith with the left because of its virulent antisemitism.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

I am against Zionism because I'm against all forms of ethno-centric ideologies and all forms of identity politics. It's why I signed up with FAIR. Equating Zionism with being supportive of Jews, and opposition of it as being anti-Semetic, is ridiculous. I support all ethnic groups but oppose any form of ethno-centrism or usage of the Victim Complex to justify exceptional treatment for any group.

Alex K.'s avatar

That's your definition of Zionism. "Zionism" now has been redefined just like "woman" has been redefined, so you have your definition, and every other person has their own definition. Before all these new definitions and redefinitions, "Zionism" just means Jews having a piece of land they can call their own nation. Not that different from Irish having Ireland, Germans having Germany, Greeks having Greece, and Chinese having China, etc.

Paula Darvas's avatar

This comment is:

1. A comment on the comments; and

2. Directs you to my feedback on your article, inspired by what you wrote, in examining the question of what is the personal impact on and the role of Jewish creatives in ‘fighting’ antisemitism (although I believe that those who have been brought up to be Jew haters, and those indoctrinated by the current fallacious reasons for Jew hate may be unable to break out of their cultish obsession)

(1) Friendly feedback or mudslinging?

We all know that there is both a spectrum of religious adherence and views on Zionism amongst the Jewish community. For example, I vehemently disagree with anti Zionist Jews, whether from a logically rational perspective or not and whether illogically and irrationally infected with the latest viral form of antisemitism or not. In my view this is not the forum to explore this. Here is not the forum to insult other Jews and name call those you feel egregiously wronged by in publicly stating they are anti Zionist even if not antisemitic. In a Jew hostile environment, whatever your views, you will be unacceptable. Now is the time for all Jews, whether Orthodox or Humanist or just Bagel Eating, to unite in sharing their gift of creativity with the world to fight antisemitism.

(2) My ‘two cents worth’:

(2.1.) please see my reflection on your article in my repost.

(2.2.) In my view it is a conversation many creatives and

academics (whether doxxed or not) have been engaged in since October 7 in Australia. My soul aches from having my very identity described by others and whatever I say or feel being belligerently shouted down or ignored because I am an Aussie Jewish Zionist. I naively believed, just as my late Holocaust survivor father didn’t, that as a ‘civil’ society in the political and moral sense there was room to peacefully and respectfully- even if not lovingly - accomodate the Jewish people. That whatever you degree of religious adherence and identity as a Zionist, that we should overcome our divisions and unite in this fight against antisemitism.

Wayward Science's avatar

“Pseudo ethnic sect” sounds awfully Nazi to me.

Jeffrey Peoples's avatar

there have been many pseudo ethnic sects in the world such as the klan, nazis, the nation of islam, and black Hebrew Israelites.Zionism is also one. they all commonly believe their members share an imaginary race. Nazism and Zionism also claim that they have the right to conquer a particular set of land and that they are indigenous to that land. and that they have the right to ethnically cleanse to rule it. Zionism derives that from the Torah itself where moses is commanded by the god character yahweh to commit genocide and ethnically cleanse the land of Canaan aka Palestine.ben gurion used the book of Joshua from the tanakh as a blueprint for the ethic cleansing zionists carried out in 1948 according to a speech he gave.

Nazis did not believe jews were a pseudo ethnic sect. they believed jews were a true race and not a religion. if you think what I said sounded nazi in the sense that it's something a nazi would have said you have it backward and your belief might be more nazi. study your history.start questioning zionists propaganda.

here is a direct quote from mein kampf:

"From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, where as in reality they are a race? "

nazis murdered people for being in an imaginary Jewish race even when those people had joined a different religion. I am claiming that jews are not a race. that would be blasphemy to Nazism. and a lot of zionists.

Jeffrey Peoples's avatar

How about we use the definition of Zionism that was established along with the state of Israel? In its Declaration of Independence, it recognizes itself as Zionist, which at the time was a pseudo ethnic sect Judaism that viewed Palestine as being rightfully ruled by Jews, which it still is. Zionism only came into existence as a sect of Judaism to conquer Palestine for the exclusive privilege of Jews as an imaginary race / ethnic group. That is historical; whatever your definition of Zionism is is a political tool of Zionism itself.

And a “German” is anyone who is a German citizen. The notion that “Germans” as a race have a right to rule land is Nazi stuff.

Fair is clearly a Zionist gig and it has shown that its concern for challenging racialist ideology ends once the interests of Zionist Israel are put on the table.

Paula Darvas's avatar

Yes, now wandering in the political wilderness but not, I hope, for forty years!!!!

Wayward Science's avatar

It’s possible— thread had become Byzantine! Meant it for the comment above here

Fair For All's avatar

Looks like you replied to the wrong commenter?

Paula Darvas's avatar

With the greatest respect, and at the risk of labelling me ‘a nutter’ as opposed to the popular label of ‘Zionazi’, please see my comment below.

Matt Pemberton's avatar

Thank you, Ms Wald!!! I am feeling paranoid compared to my fellow jews around me, but I worked, until recently, in education and the Jew Hatred is palpable, persistent, and excused by most leaders. We owe no one a reason for our existence. Keep up the difficult work of exposing the antisemitism and putting out pro Jewish art!

MetalMoomin's avatar

Congratulations on this! Well done!

Yikes. The American version of the Yevsetskaya episode is accelerating faster than thought.

Shroedinger’s race indeed 👏

I knew once my ‘best friends’ in Seattle turned their back, that the jig was up. (I dropped out of engineering for a minute and did production design for a feminist theater collective).

Julia W's avatar

you’re a Seattle refugee too!? how many of us are out there…

MetalMoomin's avatar

Well, to be fair, we left in 2010. My husband and I are both in construction type jobs (architect and engineer) and the company he worked for closed and I couldn’t find work on the west side of the cascades (got a job at the Hanford cleanup, I do structural/environmental). I cried over having to leave Seattle. Now I’m so grateful.

But yes. It hasn’t really been a place artists could afford in decades. My friends lived in hives like bees - in their 30s at the time.

MetalMoomin's avatar

Your last paragraphs hit with a sonic boom. I haven’t been able to paint in a year. Thanks for the (loving) kick in the ass.

Bret's avatar

Simply brilliant. Thank you Julia!

Amusings's avatar

I can't imagine how you feel. I have been shunned and shamed for political views by friends and family but to have the same done for an immutable characteristic such as heritage would be frightening. Let these words encourage your drive to create and keep you on your path of self-expression. May God bless and keep you. May he hold you in his embrace and make his countenance to shine upon you.

Not so young anymore.'s avatar

just shows got how evil the so called arts community is.

MetalMoomin's avatar

It’s weak and cannibalistic. Yes, evil covers it. Julia is the shit!! 🤩

David Perlmutter's avatar

Educate the dimwits about the fact that Jewishness has existed for millennia but Israel has only existed since 1948. And the circumstances why Israel came to exist in the first place....

Christofer Nigro's avatar

Thank you for saying this, David. Why are some members of FAIR supporting Zionism? Even Monica Harris, one of my heroes, is doing that! Aren't we supposed to be against identity politics?

David Perlmutter's avatar

Some people might think I was Jewish because of my surname; I'm not. (My father came from that background, but my mother didn't, and so I'm Gentile). So I have feared some sort of retaliation due to my being thought of as a Jew, which should not happen at all.

Because, in Canada, where I live, anti-Semitic crimes and harassment have been occurring far more than they should, and I can't stand that.

Jeffrey Peoples's avatar

Why do you define yourself as “gentile” based on Jewish religious ideology? A person’s “Jewishness” is entirely based on their own adherence to the ideology and religious tribe of Judaism, just like a person’s “Christianness” is based on entirely their own adherence to the ideology and religious tribe of Christianity. If you had a Jewish mother, but you renounced Judaism, you wouldn’t be a Jew either.

I’m not a Christian even though both my parents (and their parents etc etc) were raised Christian. Judaism is a religion . Period. It just happens to be one with racialist ideology. Which makes FAIR shilling for Zionism, the apex of that racialism, a huge disgrace and contradiction to their supposed purpose.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

And I think crimes of actual antisemitism will continue to occur as long as the ethno-centric war-mongering state of Israel continues to equate Zionism with the Jewish ethnicity and religion.

Wayward Science's avatar

That you think Israel is the source of antisemitism tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the matters at hand.

Franklin Einspruch's avatar

"Crimes of actual antisemitism" far predated the creation of Israel and will persist after whatever reforms Israel might make to your liking.

Paul O.'s avatar

Thank you for this. I wish I had the slightest hope it would do anything. The world is willfully blind.

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

(repeatin' my comment as I see this was the original postin'!)

fantastik piece! "acteur" performer-filmmacher here, canceled (outta work) fer not bein' woke AND fer not complin' with the plandemic proty-culls--livin' without income with two kids (all outta da loop fer not complyin') not bein' a "walk in the park" (Central or otherwise) we had ta leave our hometown of NYC fer the boonies (NYC havin' gone ta hell in a handbasket--when we left my younger daughter knew SEVEN (!) kids that decided they were trans--an' of course NYC went full-out anti-joo...). I could beef more but fer the sake of brevity, those that cannot act--write! Ergo, if I cannot act, I stack!

(and write in the vernacular in the tradition of Al Capp/Lil'Abner--Al was also chewish--an' of my nom-de-chicken-feather namesake Daisy Mae Moses):

https://thcsofdaisymoses.substack.com/

have covered Israel & jooish themes too:

https://thcsofdaisymoses.substack.com/p/if-israel-falls-we-are-next

https://thcsofdaisymoses.substack.com/p/jewish-heroes-of-the-plandemic-a?

(the above covers the comics ya mention indirectly ;-)

https://thcsofdaisymoses.substack.com/p/puttin-on-sum-passover-alls

former lefty myself, natch ;-)

mebbe yer idear ain't so crackpotty--a forum fer jooish creativity? -- wull A Funny Thing Happened on the Way...

Jeffrey Peoples's avatar

The most powerful centers of American society are (pro) Zionist. Congress. The national security state. The White House.

“We are, after all, “Schrodinger’s Race,” where the question of Jews and our proximity to whiteness depends on if you ascribe to right-wing or left-wing flavors of Jew-hatred. “

No — Jews aren’t a race. Jews are a religious tribe, just like Christians or Muslims or Buddhists. But Jews are the only major religious tribe that commonly irrationally views and portrays itself as a racial / ethnic group — and Zionists, a particular sect of Jews, are the epitome of that.

Which is why FAIR should have no business publishing your equivocating tribal racialist essay — at least without publishing something that challenges your misconceptions. Otherwise FAIR is being… well unFAIR and violating its own mission statement at challenging racial tribalism.

It seems FAIR is Zionist and apparently thinks Israel has a right to defend its apartheid from attack with genocide. Extremely disappointing. Happy I never signed its bullshit “pledge.”

Christofer Nigro's avatar

Anti-Semitic artwork? You mean, those people of any ethnicity who do not support Zionism, which is an ethno-centric form of identity politics? FAIR is supposed to be against identity politics, so this bizarre exception made for Zionism by some in our organization is just bizarre, and it is going to cause a lot of internal fighting.

Franklin Einspruch's avatar

Since Zionism is only "an ethno-centric form of identity politics" by an extremely tendentious reading, the organization is making no exception here. It is adhering to a liberal view of tolerance that suffers more than one view on the matter to exist. FAIR will be fine, but as an avowed enemy of liberalism, it may not be for you.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

Here's the thing, Franklin. I'm not a liberal. I'm an egalitarian socialist who is very much against identity politics. Any ideology that favors a specific ethnic and/or religious group over others, demands exceptional treatment for said group(s), and justifies/rationalizes any type of behavior any organization or government allegedly enacts on said group's behalf, and then dismisses all criticism of said behavior to hatred/bigotry against that demographic, is a textbook example of identity politics.

That description fits Zionism quite well, so there is nothing tendentious about it. Demanding an exception for that form of politics for an ideology claiming to be acting an behalf of *all* Jews, and then justifying anything Israel does, or the U.S. government passing laws to ban criticism against Zionism on university campuses, is doing exactly what FAIR is supposed to be against. As these threads make clear, this is creating a huge conflict within FAIR that calls the genuine commitment to its actual purpose into question.

So, yes, so attempting to insert Zionism into FAIR is going to cause a lot of problems. I would only be considered a liberal if I was demanding exceptional treatment for Palestinians and Sharia Law. But I'm not.

Franklin Einspruch's avatar

I have been involved in this organization for years, and Zionism has only today become a source of conflict because a self-described socialist with a worthless definition of Zionism - that would be you - showed up and started one. Since the vast majority of Jews support Israel, this organization recognizes that much anti-Zionism is in fact second-order antisemitism, that even principled anti-Zionists would have no business antagonizing and deplatforming Zionists in the manner chronicled above by Wald, and that speaking out against this is entirely keeping with FAIR's mission, which I recommend you re-read.

https://www.fairforall.org/about-us/

The classical liberal values espoused in the Vision are not compatible with socialism. Socialism disdains individual rights in favor of collectivist obligations, and the fact that identity politics and socialism have dovetailed so cleanly in Western politics is not an accident.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

Zionism has been largely accepted for years in an organization dedicated to combating identity politics and demands for exceptional treatment by a certain demographic based on past injustices until I started critiquing such an obvious disparity and conflict of interest? I find that hard to believe, Franklin.

The great majority of Jewish people who are subject to constant propaganda about Zionism and Israel obviously feel obliged to support it, but a significant minority do not. Just because the majority of any specific demographic supports identity politics that they believe offers them certain privileges based on calling the Victim Card doesn't make it right any more than any other group who may be doing it for other forms of identity politics or ethno-centric or theocra-centric reasons.

That should *not* be a reason for an org with the mission statement of FAIR to support any type of identity politics just because the majority of a certain demographic supports it. The majority of the world population outside of Jewish people do not support Zionism, which is also important to consider. What Israel does in the name of identity politics, which is identical to what other groups do in favor of such ideologies, should be enough for the org to condemn it, not support it.

Secondly, Franklin, no one here is talking about deplatforming Zionists. Opposition to Zionists having political & economic power to wage war on its behalf and de-platform or arrest people on its behalf or write support for it into the actual legal framework of nations is not the same thing as demanding silence on the issue. And we have every right to insist that an organization that purports to be against identity politics not to promote any form of identity politics because that calls the validity of their entire mission statement into question.

As for not having the right to "antagonize" Zionists? Sorry, but people should have every right to criticize what we disagree with, both publicly and especially within an organization that is supposed to be against identity politics in general. It is Zionists and all proponents of any form of identity politics that demand people be de-platformed or penalized legally or fired from jobs etc for critiquing identity politics.

And "socialism" as you describe it is not the same thing as what was promoted in its classical form by Marx and Engels. We are entirely in favor of civil liberties, which is what a classless economy would provide -- no bureaucrats or capitalists to control and regulate speech or decisions. And which would be bereft of the forms of material-based competition that results in identity politics. Classical Marxian socialism in no way dovetails with identity politics, because the latter is a creature of class ruled society, the proof being that it is promoted and financed by uber-capitalist firms like BlackRock, State Street, J.P. Morgan, and Disney... and yes, ultra-wealthy lobbyist groups like AIPAC. It doesn't matter if said sources claim to espouse left-wing or right-wing values of any sort... both the Left and the Right have their own iterations of identity politics that one favors but the other does not.

So no, I do not think that criticizing Zionism is tantamount to second-order antisemitism any more than trying to connect liberalism and its forms of identity politics is indicative of being racist or sexist or homophobic. Latching an ideology onto a demographic of people and demanding no criticism of the ideology because of it is what identity politics are all about.

JGB's avatar

I agree 100% and I would like to add something. I am NOT trying to distract from the central point of this article. I am saying that this is tearing us *all* apart *my suspicious mind thinks that was the plan all along).

This wave of anti- semitism is ripping apart the social fabric of Western nations after decades of progress, Jews & Gentiles stopped 'othering' each other but our unity is being undone... it is tearing apart more than the obvious: it is forcing everyone in Western nations to 'pick sides' with a big hint which side is 'the right one.' (I have had students ask me 'Which side are you on?' and I reply 'I side with humanity' and walk away)

Western societies are being torn apart by the Hamas attacks as well as social media campaigns. We must ask some questions:

Who would most benefit from Western Nations crumbling into divisiveness? Putin

Who does Hamas take marching orders from? Iran, Putin's BFF

Who has been caught launching influence campaigns via social media? Putin

When did Hamas strike Israel? Oct 7th, Putin's birthday.

Some of you may ask "Would Vladimir Putin throw all the Jews under the bus for his ambitions?"

Does a bear poop in the woods?

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

dang! never occurred ta me but ya may be onta sumthin' here!

Blake MacLeod's avatar

I loved reading this piece, except for the blindered repeating of Israeli propagandist talking points. Just as this artist’s personal experience around anti-semitism is important for me to hear and feel empathy for. There is so much about the events on the ground on and before Oct. 7&8 that are glossed over here or misrepresented.

Any objective analysis of these intersecting struggles and the genocide happening in the Palestinian territories, and now in Lebanon must be founded on demonstrable facts. Artists are not exempt, and, will be rightly criticized for errors and omissions.

Franklin Einspruch's avatar

Please point out the "Israeli propagandist talking points" that the author "repeated" in a "blindered" fashion or any other.

Blake MacLeod's avatar

“Bachman believes Israel has a right to exist.” Yes, and so do most people concede this to be true, including progressive Palestinians. It is the basis of the peace that must be established. Zionists leaders want to take it all, as demonstrated by their words and actions.

followed by “cancel the talk an hour before the launch because they were unwilling to platform a Zionist voice on-premises” Platforming Zionist voices is problematic, because Zionism as illegally realized through violence and occupation is the problem. Resistance to it is an honourable responsibility.

“it’s normally the Jewish state that is singled out as the one nation that doesn’t have a right to be recognized.” No reasonable person says Israel doesn’t have the right to exist.

“When my peers start questioning the legitimacy of the nations of Pakistan, Liberia, or Jordan—three countries with similar backstories and struggles to Israel” Similar struggles? Israel is a genocidal state oppressing the legitimate rights of others.

“Jews are no longer seen as rootless cosmopolitans who subvert the autonomy of European nations, but as white colonial oppressors butchering the indigenous Levantine population on stolen land.” Yes, because that is what has been happening since before May 14, 1948.

I could go on…but Zionist exceptionalism is the inherent problem in this perspective.

Franklin Einspruch's avatar

In other words, these aren't "propagandist talking points" so much as assertions from a perspective that accepts the founding and continuation of Israel as a legitimate project. Clearly you disdain that perspective, in favor of the conception of Israel as a "genocidal state oppressing the legitimate rights of others." That puts you in the company of the vicious racists whom Wald cites throughout the essay.

It's true, no reasonable person says that Israel has no right to exist. Sadly, the anti-Zionist movement is full of unreasonable people who insist on exactly that, based on this same libel that Israel is a genocidal state. That vaunted genocidality justifies the verbal and physical abuse of Jews in their minds, which is why we've seen the explosion thereof in the last year. Whether they constitute the majority of anti-Zionists is unclear, but they certainly characterize them.

Good luck with that commitment to empathy you mentioned. I hope the rest of us see evidence of it one day.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

I don't think the founding and continuation of Israel is legitimate any more than the founding of a state offering exceptional recognition for any other ethnic or racial group would be. It has resulted in extremists like Netanyahu to wage a genocide on "behalf" of Jewish people and the Israel project, and multi-billionaire lobbyist organizations like AIPAC to coerce the U.S. government into funding it. Israel is an extreme threat to the world and a major component of the U.S. Military Industrial Complex, and that has *nothing* to do with Jewish people or Judaism. It's an example of what happens when identity politics or ethno-centrism of any sort takes over a whole nation.

Christofer Nigro's avatar

Agreed, Blake, and unfortunately, the issue of Zionism is going to rip FAIR apart. How is it that Zionism got accepted by so many members of an org ostensibly designed to combat the excesses of identity politics and racial/gender/ethnic exceptionalism?

Wayward Science's avatar

Anyone who describes the war in Gaza as a “genocide,” a term invented to describe the near extinction of the Jews in the Holocaust, is by that fact alone a gaslighting psychopath.

Paula Darvas's avatar

Please see my comments on my retweet. In my view (I am no spokesperson for the group), This is a conversation the doxxed creatives and academics in Australia have

More Chances Not Less's avatar

This was beautiful thank you