Well, they kinda can. Men cannot become biological women and women cannot be become biological men. But there's a lot more to being a man or a woman than your plumbing. A lot of it has to do with how you are treated socially, which is the biggest thing transgender individuals wish to change. So they can change genders in all the ways that matter to them.
Well, they kinda can. Men cannot become biological women and women cannot be become biological men. But there's a lot more to being a man or a woman than your plumbing. A lot of it has to do with how you are treated socially, which is the biggest thing transgender individuals wish to change. So they can change genders in all the ways that matter to them.
Explain how in a way that doesn’t mistake common cultural stereotype for actual sex. Confirm that tomboys and butch lesbians do not follow common tropes it are still unambiguously female. Because we had this all worked out 50 years ago.
Tomboys are not women who feel like men. Women with gender dysphoria are. Tomboys are still referred to as "she" and "mam." They still go into the women's restroom. And let's be honest, men and women are treated differently, they just are, even if they don't match the stereotypes.
First, a lot of Tom boys do think they should have been an actual boy as young children, something I can attest to first hand, which is one of the many reasons I find gender ideology overtly cruel.
“Trans women,” also go into women’s restrooms, locker rooms, school bathrooms, pool changing facilities, etc, but the response from the others in the restroom is entirely different than tomboys or butch lesbians or butch straight chics going in. In circumstances we are treated differently, it’s mostly based on our biological sex, not playing dress up or some delusional self-identity.
Chimps treat men and women differently, and they treat trans women exactly like every other actual man - a man before interaction with the chimp, and a eunuch afterwards.
In the end we are animals, mammals, primates. While the gender based stereotypes are a bit silly in every culture, and very few really fit into the stereotypes, the gender based treatment of others is mostly sex based, not “identity.”
Mammals have a sex. Nouns, particularly as it relates to living things and for some reason plumbing parts, have a gender. People who identify as trans have a mental disorder. People who think someone can actually become a different gender by virtue of big pharma subscriptions and clothing choices/ hair styles are delusional.
If a tomboy feels like a man, that sounds like gender dysphoria, not just being a tomboy. The difference is pretty stark in how they feel about themselves vs. how others see them.
I don't think people with gender dysphoria care much how chimps treat them.
You're free to call it a mental disorder if you find that helpful. The debate raging is whether this is, in fact, actually helpful to them. I think in some cases it might be, but I have doubts if that's true for all cases.
Honest people who are trying to grapple with the trans issue know that people can't biologically become a different gender via technology. The trans ideologues say they do, and if they're being truthful about this then I agree it's delusional. But, again, not sure how it helps matters to call people names like delusional.
First, I was a Tom boy and I would have absolutely been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. 100%. It took a long time to grow comfortable in my own skin.
Second, no, it’s not just about if it “helps them.” Women and girls are not second class citizens whose access to safe same bodied private spaces and fair athletic competitions should depend on the whims and wants of men and boys, regardless of how those men and boys self identify. Women in prison in CA shouldn’t be getting raped by “female cellmates with a penis.” Elementary school girls in GA shouldn’t be getting sexually assaulted by their male “gender fluid” classmates. The idea that women should have to give up their safety and access to opportunity to coddle the delusions of men is cruel and misogynistic.
Speaking truth is helpful in life. The entire trans mantra is “trans women are real women.” They call “transitioning” a “male to female” transition (or vice versus). There is a pregnant man emoji!! The ideology at its core teaches even little kids they can be born in the “wrong” body and can “transition” to actually become the other sex. Yes, it’s delusional, and yes, it helps to call it out for exactly what it is.
If adults want to mutilate themselves that’s one thing, but to mutilate the genitals of children, make them sterile and incapable of sexual sensation/ pleasure, is cruel. Humans have been coming up with excuses to castrate little boys and mutilate the genitals of little girls for thousands of years. ALL of those justifications are cruel, and this time is no different.
Yes, the trans ideology is pretty silly, and dangerous when they put men in women's spaces, or start targeting children. This ought to be for adults, and completely consensual, after first trying to help them, as you say, grow comfortable in their own skin. So, yes, it's not just about if it helps them. But you seem to be of the position that it can never possibly help them, which seems extreme to me. If a fully grown adult, after deliberation with a skilled and non-ideological therapist, decides to get a sex change, without intruding on women's spaces or competing against women, I have no problem with this. More power to them.
I don’t mind if adults want medical procedures, I just haven’t met anyone whose mental health improved for more than a few months after each stage of transition. I first met/ knew a Brad who became Brandy in grad school when I was 21-22 (so 2003-2004). (Brad to Brandy was not in school, but lived in the same apartment complex). Brandy had been in therapy for years and went to Europe for bottom surgery. A year after surgery Brandt was again depressed and lonely and delusional (Brandy started talking about wanting a period.....). It’s been a faster moving train wreck with people I’ve watched first hand more recently.
So it’s not that I think the stuff should be outlawed for adults, but qualitatively it doesn’t seem to be all that helpful in the pursuit of fulfillment from life or genuinely improved mental health based on personal observations.
“You're free to call it a mental disorder if you find that helpful. The debate raging is whether this is, in fact, actually helpful to them.”
Okay, then insurance companies don’t have to pay for their treatments because there’s nothing physically wrong with them, just their feelings about their bodies. A double mastectomy for cancer is different than a double mastectomy for someone distressed at the idea of having breasts. It’s all cosmetic then if there’s no mental component. Got it.
I just said there is debate as to whether it's helpful to them mentally, not that there is no mental component. Yes, insurance companies should not "have" to pay for anything in a free society. Anyone pushing to legally compel them to pay for it are ideologues that I disagree with.
Men and women are biological categories, sexes, reproductive states, how more humans are made. Men are men because of their biology; women are women because of their biology. There are no non-biological men or women. Sheesh, is Big Pharma creationism funding and corrupting all higher education now? "Transmisogyny" insists "women" are an outfit men wear or a feeling men have about themselves. So gross, regressive and suspect, this whole "trans" cash cow cult.
There are two sexes and only two sexes, male and female. Sex is determined at conception and is immutable. A woman is a human adult female, and a man is a human adult male. End of discussion.
I mean, I guess you could just say "end of discussion" and hope that actually ends the discussion, but if you look around you I think you'll see that there's nonetheless plenty of discussion. It's as if one person cannot unilaterally control the public dialogue. Thankfully.
Well, they kinda can. Men cannot become biological women and women cannot be become biological men. But there's a lot more to being a man or a woman than your plumbing. A lot of it has to do with how you are treated socially, which is the biggest thing transgender individuals wish to change. So they can change genders in all the ways that matter to them.
Explain how in a way that doesn’t mistake common cultural stereotype for actual sex. Confirm that tomboys and butch lesbians do not follow common tropes it are still unambiguously female. Because we had this all worked out 50 years ago.
Tomboys are not women who feel like men. Women with gender dysphoria are. Tomboys are still referred to as "she" and "mam." They still go into the women's restroom. And let's be honest, men and women are treated differently, they just are, even if they don't match the stereotypes.
First, a lot of Tom boys do think they should have been an actual boy as young children, something I can attest to first hand, which is one of the many reasons I find gender ideology overtly cruel.
“Trans women,” also go into women’s restrooms, locker rooms, school bathrooms, pool changing facilities, etc, but the response from the others in the restroom is entirely different than tomboys or butch lesbians or butch straight chics going in. In circumstances we are treated differently, it’s mostly based on our biological sex, not playing dress up or some delusional self-identity.
Chimps treat men and women differently, and they treat trans women exactly like every other actual man - a man before interaction with the chimp, and a eunuch afterwards.
In the end we are animals, mammals, primates. While the gender based stereotypes are a bit silly in every culture, and very few really fit into the stereotypes, the gender based treatment of others is mostly sex based, not “identity.”
Mammals have a sex. Nouns, particularly as it relates to living things and for some reason plumbing parts, have a gender. People who identify as trans have a mental disorder. People who think someone can actually become a different gender by virtue of big pharma subscriptions and clothing choices/ hair styles are delusional.
If a tomboy feels like a man, that sounds like gender dysphoria, not just being a tomboy. The difference is pretty stark in how they feel about themselves vs. how others see them.
I don't think people with gender dysphoria care much how chimps treat them.
You're free to call it a mental disorder if you find that helpful. The debate raging is whether this is, in fact, actually helpful to them. I think in some cases it might be, but I have doubts if that's true for all cases.
Honest people who are trying to grapple with the trans issue know that people can't biologically become a different gender via technology. The trans ideologues say they do, and if they're being truthful about this then I agree it's delusional. But, again, not sure how it helps matters to call people names like delusional.
First, I was a Tom boy and I would have absolutely been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. 100%. It took a long time to grow comfortable in my own skin.
Second, no, it’s not just about if it “helps them.” Women and girls are not second class citizens whose access to safe same bodied private spaces and fair athletic competitions should depend on the whims and wants of men and boys, regardless of how those men and boys self identify. Women in prison in CA shouldn’t be getting raped by “female cellmates with a penis.” Elementary school girls in GA shouldn’t be getting sexually assaulted by their male “gender fluid” classmates. The idea that women should have to give up their safety and access to opportunity to coddle the delusions of men is cruel and misogynistic.
Speaking truth is helpful in life. The entire trans mantra is “trans women are real women.” They call “transitioning” a “male to female” transition (or vice versus). There is a pregnant man emoji!! The ideology at its core teaches even little kids they can be born in the “wrong” body and can “transition” to actually become the other sex. Yes, it’s delusional, and yes, it helps to call it out for exactly what it is.
If adults want to mutilate themselves that’s one thing, but to mutilate the genitals of children, make them sterile and incapable of sexual sensation/ pleasure, is cruel. Humans have been coming up with excuses to castrate little boys and mutilate the genitals of little girls for thousands of years. ALL of those justifications are cruel, and this time is no different.
AMEN, sister.
Yes, the trans ideology is pretty silly, and dangerous when they put men in women's spaces, or start targeting children. This ought to be for adults, and completely consensual, after first trying to help them, as you say, grow comfortable in their own skin. So, yes, it's not just about if it helps them. But you seem to be of the position that it can never possibly help them, which seems extreme to me. If a fully grown adult, after deliberation with a skilled and non-ideological therapist, decides to get a sex change, without intruding on women's spaces or competing against women, I have no problem with this. More power to them.
I don’t mind if adults want medical procedures, I just haven’t met anyone whose mental health improved for more than a few months after each stage of transition. I first met/ knew a Brad who became Brandy in grad school when I was 21-22 (so 2003-2004). (Brad to Brandy was not in school, but lived in the same apartment complex). Brandy had been in therapy for years and went to Europe for bottom surgery. A year after surgery Brandt was again depressed and lonely and delusional (Brandy started talking about wanting a period.....). It’s been a faster moving train wreck with people I’ve watched first hand more recently.
So it’s not that I think the stuff should be outlawed for adults, but qualitatively it doesn’t seem to be all that helpful in the pursuit of fulfillment from life or genuinely improved mental health based on personal observations.
“You're free to call it a mental disorder if you find that helpful. The debate raging is whether this is, in fact, actually helpful to them.”
Okay, then insurance companies don’t have to pay for their treatments because there’s nothing physically wrong with them, just their feelings about their bodies. A double mastectomy for cancer is different than a double mastectomy for someone distressed at the idea of having breasts. It’s all cosmetic then if there’s no mental component. Got it.
I just said there is debate as to whether it's helpful to them mentally, not that there is no mental component. Yes, insurance companies should not "have" to pay for anything in a free society. Anyone pushing to legally compel them to pay for it are ideologues that I disagree with.
Men and women are biological categories, sexes, reproductive states, how more humans are made. Men are men because of their biology; women are women because of their biology. There are no non-biological men or women. Sheesh, is Big Pharma creationism funding and corrupting all higher education now? "Transmisogyny" insists "women" are an outfit men wear or a feeling men have about themselves. So gross, regressive and suspect, this whole "trans" cash cow cult.
Truer words were never spoken.
Could you provide some concrete examples of these “ways that matter” where social treatment is different that aren’t based in biology?
There are two sexes and only two sexes, male and female. Sex is determined at conception and is immutable. A woman is a human adult female, and a man is a human adult male. End of discussion.
I mean, I guess you could just say "end of discussion" and hope that actually ends the discussion, but if you look around you I think you'll see that there's nonetheless plenty of discussion. It's as if one person cannot unilaterally control the public dialogue. Thankfully.
Those are the only facts that matter. End of my discussion.