Everyone should see this film. I appreciate that FAIR is putting forth an opinion on this important topic of gender ideology, thank you. I agree we need a more nuanced, evidence-based approach than is often presented from most sources on the right. I agree that the film has flaws, but not the flaws you present.
Everyone should see this film. I appreciate that FAIR is putting forth an opinion on this important topic of gender ideology, thank you. I agree we need a more nuanced, evidence-based approach than is often presented from most sources on the right. I agree that the film has flaws, but not the flaws you present.
#1: It’s unclear to me if Matt Walsh has the vision you say he does, of a world where all surgeries and drugs for altering one’s body to look like the opposite sex are illegal. He is examining the issue about kids, which should be a five-star alarm for everyone.
Many gender critical people do not share that vision, even as we believe the propaganda from this ideology to be harmful for adults as well. I have a friend who is a detransitioner who transitioned in her late 20s. She really thought she could become a man by undergoing this process, and it was a cruel lie. It did not make her happy. She now must live with the consequences of testosterone for the rest of her life. This is the story we will be hearing more and more.
What should be illegal is presenting such false narratives of salvation, that even adults believe. In a tolerant society, adults can make these choices, but they should not be lied to. The best part of the film was Scott (Kellie) Neugent speaking of the terrible personal cost of this lie. Scott has a passionate and moving mission to keep kids from being harmed in this way.
#2: As many feminists have pointed out, there are some sex-role stereotypes in the movie that do not celebrate gender non-conforming kids or adults. The pink and blue at the beginning. Matt Walsh’s boys may be into bb guns, and most boys may be that way, but there are boys who like to spin around in a tutu. His girls may be into wearing pink, but there are some girls who really dig dinosaurs and hate dresses. Many of those gender non-conforming kids turn out to be gay. Homosexuality is a different and very real and very measurable human state from “being trans.” For many of us in the gender critical community, we see the harms presented quite accurately in the movie as also being bad or these kids. I would have liked that perspective included.
The film tackles only one aspect of the harms of gender ideology being encoded in our laws and institutions: drugging and sterilizing and permanently altering children with surgeries they cannot consent to. For me, the faults in the film are minor. The viewer has a chance to hear from these “experts” themselves. Watch the film, listen to them, make up your own mind.
I misspoke about the film only covering this one issue of kids. It also goes into women's sports. The kids are on my mind right now, and that is what stood out for me.
As a person who works in a social services nonprofit in SF that is fairly trans-friendly, I know a number of fully transitioned adults who are healthy and happy (or as happy as any human in these divisive times can be). Their suicidal, self-loathing teen years are long behind them; most are partnered up and some have kids. They transitioned after years of therapy. The effectiveness of drugs & surgery has made some of them genuinely appear to be the opposite gender of their biological sex. I consider these success stories. Walsh would prefer that they not exist as they do today.
Good to know about Walsh's perspective, thanks Mark. Unfortunately, those of us on the gender critical left who don't share that view rarely get our voices heard. Libertarian-leaning conservatives would not share Walsh's perspective either.
I politely disagree on a point of fact and note your sophistry. You’re employing the same hyperbolic fallacy so loved by trans activists. Walsh doesn’t wish the adults you describe dead - those who have had years of therapy and apparently went through their teens without getting amputations. He wants informed consent along with an age of majority rule, the same as your friends experienced as adults. He wants safeguards put into mental health system to surgery pipeline free of ideological undue influence and bully tactics.
Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis. “Give me what I want or I’ll kill myself” is a symptom of many pathologies, including drug addiction. Why on earth is immediate capitulation to an illness the recommended treatment? We could save a fortune in Narcan and drug treatment programs with that line of thinking.
LOL you are attempting to disagree with a person who actually shares your perspective on informed consent, is against immediate capitulation by both parents & medical establishments, and who also sees "Give me what I want or I'll kill myself" as a symptom of a pathology.
I actually did not say he wants trans folks dead; it is sophistry on your part to put words in my mouth. Try not to do that in the future, it is an ineffective tactic. Although certainly a popular one, at least on Twitter.
I wrote that he "would prefer that they not exist as they do today" which does not have the same meaning as DEAD. I personally don't believe that Walsh wants them dead either.
My comment is not hyperbole because, if you followed the links, you'd see that Walsh wants surgical options to be illegal FOR ALL AGES, not just children. Please read his words for yourself, they are pretty straightforward. If Walsh called the shots, my friends & colleagues would not - as I specifically wrote - "exist as they do today." They would not be the same people physically because they would have been unable to have surgery. They would be in the same bodies that caused them so much suffering earlier in their lives... "not exist as they do today" does not equal "dead".
The next time you consider posting a rebuttal, I advise that you read the post you are attempting to bash a bit more closely. Also, perhaps follow links that include a person's exact words. And finally, accusing someone of "sophistry" is not polite disagreement, it is a deep insult and therefore an attack.
Absolutely. Not a cost to either society or to the individuals who find out just by being alive that they are gay. It's been a long road, but I think this is why society has largely finally accepted gay people: many conservatives finally saw that being gay, at least for most gay people, is not something they have a choice about. You cannot pray away the gay. Most people are not gay, but a tolerant and open society celebrates everyone. I am very glad my gay and lesbian friends can get married if they want to, avail themselves of the legal protections and the social celebration that entails. I believe more gay, lesbian, and bisexual people need to detach themselves from the "T," both for the sake of children and for their own sakes. The backlash people fear is very real. The problem with transgender ideology is that the laws and norms and policies being entrenched are trampling on women's rights and gay people's rights, and these policy shifts are damaging children, sometimes irreversibly. Gender dysphoria is real and painful for people and we need to understand it better. That is what science is for, if we could just get it funded!! But an ideology that preaches that people can be born in the wrong body is wreaking great harm on all of us.
Everyone should see this film. I appreciate that FAIR is putting forth an opinion on this important topic of gender ideology, thank you. I agree we need a more nuanced, evidence-based approach than is often presented from most sources on the right. I agree that the film has flaws, but not the flaws you present.
#1: It’s unclear to me if Matt Walsh has the vision you say he does, of a world where all surgeries and drugs for altering one’s body to look like the opposite sex are illegal. He is examining the issue about kids, which should be a five-star alarm for everyone.
Many gender critical people do not share that vision, even as we believe the propaganda from this ideology to be harmful for adults as well. I have a friend who is a detransitioner who transitioned in her late 20s. She really thought she could become a man by undergoing this process, and it was a cruel lie. It did not make her happy. She now must live with the consequences of testosterone for the rest of her life. This is the story we will be hearing more and more.
What should be illegal is presenting such false narratives of salvation, that even adults believe. In a tolerant society, adults can make these choices, but they should not be lied to. The best part of the film was Scott (Kellie) Neugent speaking of the terrible personal cost of this lie. Scott has a passionate and moving mission to keep kids from being harmed in this way.
#2: As many feminists have pointed out, there are some sex-role stereotypes in the movie that do not celebrate gender non-conforming kids or adults. The pink and blue at the beginning. Matt Walsh’s boys may be into bb guns, and most boys may be that way, but there are boys who like to spin around in a tutu. His girls may be into wearing pink, but there are some girls who really dig dinosaurs and hate dresses. Many of those gender non-conforming kids turn out to be gay. Homosexuality is a different and very real and very measurable human state from “being trans.” For many of us in the gender critical community, we see the harms presented quite accurately in the movie as also being bad or these kids. I would have liked that perspective included.
The film tackles only one aspect of the harms of gender ideology being encoded in our laws and institutions: drugging and sterilizing and permanently altering children with surgeries they cannot consent to. For me, the faults in the film are minor. The viewer has a chance to hear from these “experts” themselves. Watch the film, listen to them, make up your own mind.
I misspoke about the film only covering this one issue of kids. It also goes into women's sports. The kids are on my mind right now, and that is what stood out for me.
It may not be clear in the film (it wasn't to me either), but Walsh has actually said that these procedures should be illegal for all ages.
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1533611776763371520
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1533612406525546497
As a person who works in a social services nonprofit in SF that is fairly trans-friendly, I know a number of fully transitioned adults who are healthy and happy (or as happy as any human in these divisive times can be). Their suicidal, self-loathing teen years are long behind them; most are partnered up and some have kids. They transitioned after years of therapy. The effectiveness of drugs & surgery has made some of them genuinely appear to be the opposite gender of their biological sex. I consider these success stories. Walsh would prefer that they not exist as they do today.
Good to know about Walsh's perspective, thanks Mark. Unfortunately, those of us on the gender critical left who don't share that view rarely get our voices heard. Libertarian-leaning conservatives would not share Walsh's perspective either.
I politely disagree on a point of fact and note your sophistry. You’re employing the same hyperbolic fallacy so loved by trans activists. Walsh doesn’t wish the adults you describe dead - those who have had years of therapy and apparently went through their teens without getting amputations. He wants informed consent along with an age of majority rule, the same as your friends experienced as adults. He wants safeguards put into mental health system to surgery pipeline free of ideological undue influence and bully tactics.
Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis. “Give me what I want or I’ll kill myself” is a symptom of many pathologies, including drug addiction. Why on earth is immediate capitulation to an illness the recommended treatment? We could save a fortune in Narcan and drug treatment programs with that line of thinking.
LOL you are attempting to disagree with a person who actually shares your perspective on informed consent, is against immediate capitulation by both parents & medical establishments, and who also sees "Give me what I want or I'll kill myself" as a symptom of a pathology.
I actually did not say he wants trans folks dead; it is sophistry on your part to put words in my mouth. Try not to do that in the future, it is an ineffective tactic. Although certainly a popular one, at least on Twitter.
I wrote that he "would prefer that they not exist as they do today" which does not have the same meaning as DEAD. I personally don't believe that Walsh wants them dead either.
My comment is not hyperbole because, if you followed the links, you'd see that Walsh wants surgical options to be illegal FOR ALL AGES, not just children. Please read his words for yourself, they are pretty straightforward. If Walsh called the shots, my friends & colleagues would not - as I specifically wrote - "exist as they do today." They would not be the same people physically because they would have been unable to have surgery. They would be in the same bodies that caused them so much suffering earlier in their lives... "not exist as they do today" does not equal "dead".
The next time you consider posting a rebuttal, I advise that you read the post you are attempting to bash a bit more closely. Also, perhaps follow links that include a person's exact words. And finally, accusing someone of "sophistry" is not polite disagreement, it is a deep insult and therefore an attack.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/sophistry
Cheers!
Such a scold...your blandishments about my behavior are disregarded in light of the fact that you edited your post so you could make this point.
Absolutely. Not a cost to either society or to the individuals who find out just by being alive that they are gay. It's been a long road, but I think this is why society has largely finally accepted gay people: many conservatives finally saw that being gay, at least for most gay people, is not something they have a choice about. You cannot pray away the gay. Most people are not gay, but a tolerant and open society celebrates everyone. I am very glad my gay and lesbian friends can get married if they want to, avail themselves of the legal protections and the social celebration that entails. I believe more gay, lesbian, and bisexual people need to detach themselves from the "T," both for the sake of children and for their own sakes. The backlash people fear is very real. The problem with transgender ideology is that the laws and norms and policies being entrenched are trampling on women's rights and gay people's rights, and these policy shifts are damaging children, sometimes irreversibly. Gender dysphoria is real and painful for people and we need to understand it better. That is what science is for, if we could just get it funded!! But an ideology that preaches that people can be born in the wrong body is wreaking great harm on all of us.