Hmm no I don't agree with that - there is a difference between disagreement and hate - and that is exactly why we have laws in place so segments of society don't have to feel threatened by hate or death threats...
Hate speech that incites violence or hatred should be punished since that is …
Hmm no I don't agree with that - there is a difference between disagreement and hate - and that is exactly why we have laws in place so segments of society don't have to feel threatened by hate or death threats...
Hate speech that incites violence or hatred should be punished since that is the red line that is crossed, is it is not a civilised way to interact in a civil society - there needs to be limits, this action is such a limit (healthy society can agree to disagree without the need to threaten and intimidate, or can compromise- since that is the heart of the values of society and the promise each person in society makes to the other - that safety of everyone matters more) - the problem is that the west currently does not defend the laws it has in place. Sedition, hate speech and incitement to violence are not being policed.
The current situation in israel is only a pretense (and any other suitable situation would have worked also for islamists) - the situation with islamists has been boiling for years, just waiting for such a moment.
I’m against hate speech law, it’s tantamount to thoughtcrime law and it’s never equally applied. Threats and incitement to violence are already illegal. Violent crime is already illegal. Prosecute the perpetrators of these crimes to the fullest extent of the law for their acts, not their thoughts. One day the shoe may be on the other foot, and what’s considered reasonable today may be considered hate in the future. Be wary of unintended consequences. I’m Jewish BTW.
Also I like knowing who those so full of hate are. I do however agree with your opinion of the Islamists. But let’s not police words and thoughts like they do with their blasphemy laws.
"Threats and incitement to violence are already illegal, as is violent crime. Perpetrators of these crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for their actions, not their thoughts.
However, it's frustrating that such cases rarely go to court. Thought crimes are different from threats made by organized groups with funding and training, as they have the means to follow through. People supporting Hamas, or any other type of sedition should be charged.
while we do have laws in place, they are often not effectively enforced, which is a major part of the problem. I believe in addressing these issues on a case-by-case basis. Credible threats should be punished, perpetrators expelled, and funding should be cut where possible."
but yeah its a very sad time for the rest of us that just want to live in a world that has kindness and compassion... (a classmate just graduated this year - is back in israel now - and I have to say is so sad to think of him and his family and friend's now in danger - no one should have to live what they are going through, and I guess EU where I live will be ramping up again for yet another xmas markets with security and bomb squads checking rubbish bins and another summer of attacks.... All through naivety of thinking everyone wants to get along together as equals based on common humanity....and that open borders with no requirements for entry are fun)
“ However, it's frustrating that such cases rarely go to court. Thought crimes are different from threats made by organized groups with funding and training, as they have the means to follow through.”
I absolutely agree with that statement⬆️ Threats should be investigated and prosecuted. Also agree with this:
“I believe in addressing these issues on a case-by-case basis. Credible threats should be punished, perpetrators expelled, and funding should be cut where possible.
Again though my problem with Hate Crime Laws is who decides what’s hate? And who will be in charge of that in the future.”
As far as “ People supporting Hamas, or any other type of sedition should be charged.” goes, that’s tricky. It’s one thing to say that one agrees with their beliefs/actions and another to define an opinion as seditious. I think that would lead to some undesirable outcomes to say the least. And I like knowing who they are. But funding a terror group is already illegal and should be prosecuted.
expressing an opinion or engaging in illegal activity is a fundamental aspect of democratic societies and the rule of law - So yes I agree with you on that!
Yes I agrees and I think the problem largely is lack of political will
follow through... ditto with Terror group is already illegal and should be prosecuted... there are high level members of Hamas on the dole in the UK or who have gained citizenship....
(I like to know who they are too, after a few thousand years we have enough history to know undesirable outcomes and problems.. when groups go underground
Hate Crime Laws is who decides what’s hate? (yes I agree with you on this too many times in history this has been perverted in the worst way... well lets hope sensible laws and oversight ...maybe this is asking for a miracle? - we live in sad times
"There should be no laws restricting hate speech"
Hmm no I don't agree with that - there is a difference between disagreement and hate - and that is exactly why we have laws in place so segments of society don't have to feel threatened by hate or death threats...
Hate speech that incites violence or hatred should be punished since that is the red line that is crossed, is it is not a civilised way to interact in a civil society - there needs to be limits, this action is such a limit (healthy society can agree to disagree without the need to threaten and intimidate, or can compromise- since that is the heart of the values of society and the promise each person in society makes to the other - that safety of everyone matters more) - the problem is that the west currently does not defend the laws it has in place. Sedition, hate speech and incitement to violence are not being policed.
The current situation in israel is only a pretense (and any other suitable situation would have worked also for islamists) - the situation with islamists has been boiling for years, just waiting for such a moment.
I’m against hate speech law, it’s tantamount to thoughtcrime law and it’s never equally applied. Threats and incitement to violence are already illegal. Violent crime is already illegal. Prosecute the perpetrators of these crimes to the fullest extent of the law for their acts, not their thoughts. One day the shoe may be on the other foot, and what’s considered reasonable today may be considered hate in the future. Be wary of unintended consequences. I’m Jewish BTW.
Also I like knowing who those so full of hate are. I do however agree with your opinion of the Islamists. But let’s not police words and thoughts like they do with their blasphemy laws.
"Threats and incitement to violence are already illegal, as is violent crime. Perpetrators of these crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for their actions, not their thoughts.
However, it's frustrating that such cases rarely go to court. Thought crimes are different from threats made by organized groups with funding and training, as they have the means to follow through. People supporting Hamas, or any other type of sedition should be charged.
while we do have laws in place, they are often not effectively enforced, which is a major part of the problem. I believe in addressing these issues on a case-by-case basis. Credible threats should be punished, perpetrators expelled, and funding should be cut where possible."
but yeah its a very sad time for the rest of us that just want to live in a world that has kindness and compassion... (a classmate just graduated this year - is back in israel now - and I have to say is so sad to think of him and his family and friend's now in danger - no one should have to live what they are going through, and I guess EU where I live will be ramping up again for yet another xmas markets with security and bomb squads checking rubbish bins and another summer of attacks.... All through naivety of thinking everyone wants to get along together as equals based on common humanity....and that open borders with no requirements for entry are fun)
“ However, it's frustrating that such cases rarely go to court. Thought crimes are different from threats made by organized groups with funding and training, as they have the means to follow through.”
I absolutely agree with that statement⬆️ Threats should be investigated and prosecuted. Also agree with this:
“I believe in addressing these issues on a case-by-case basis. Credible threats should be punished, perpetrators expelled, and funding should be cut where possible.
Again though my problem with Hate Crime Laws is who decides what’s hate? And who will be in charge of that in the future.”
As far as “ People supporting Hamas, or any other type of sedition should be charged.” goes, that’s tricky. It’s one thing to say that one agrees with their beliefs/actions and another to define an opinion as seditious. I think that would lead to some undesirable outcomes to say the least. And I like knowing who they are. But funding a terror group is already illegal and should be prosecuted.
expressing an opinion or engaging in illegal activity is a fundamental aspect of democratic societies and the rule of law - So yes I agree with you on that!
Yes I agrees and I think the problem largely is lack of political will
follow through... ditto with Terror group is already illegal and should be prosecuted... there are high level members of Hamas on the dole in the UK or who have gained citizenship....
(I like to know who they are too, after a few thousand years we have enough history to know undesirable outcomes and problems.. when groups go underground
Hate Crime Laws is who decides what’s hate? (yes I agree with you on this too many times in history this has been perverted in the worst way... well lets hope sensible laws and oversight ...maybe this is asking for a miracle? - we live in sad times
Sad times indeed.