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Brandy's avatar

1. I was sexyally assaulted in a school bathroom when I was 13, so no, I don't want to use the restroom with penises. I am a victim and a female, but my fears are laughed at at I'm called names for feeling this way.

2. What is wrong with male, female, and co-ed options? You just add a co-ed. Easy.

Tony's avatar

Co-ed bathrooms won’t fix this problem. Trans activists don’t want to use the co-ed bathroom. They want access to the female bathroom. Remember “trans women are women“!

GA's avatar

The point isn’t safe bathrooms. The point is validation. A third bathroom, team, or hell just expecting men to accommodate biological men regardless of presentation will never be enough. Women are expected to roll over on this just like always.

NCmom's avatar

Trans women are not women. They are men who have feelings, but they can never feel like a woman. No part of their body, not a single cell, is female. Sex segregated spaces have existed as long as society has. It’s never been ok for people with a penis to demand to change in front of women and girls in this country. No, my daughter does not need to accept a penis in front of her. Not now, not ever. If you want to accommodate people, they can use a single person facility, and that is fine, but to say we should move towards a society where actual women and girls have no sex separated space of their own, no expectation of privacy, no right to bodily safety is regressive and misogynistic. Either you think the feelings of boys and men matter more than the biological reality women face everyday, and you are misogynist, or you acknowledge the plain truth that trans women are not women, and you protect women at the expense of hurting the feelings of delusional men. Single stall facilities are fine, but there is no middle ground on this and crap like “let’s get to where little girls face to look at a grown man’s or is is normal” is why I don’t give money to FAIR anymore.

Nancy Sherman Robertson's avatar

Absolutely right, NC. There is no middle ground when it comes to the "trans" scam. Either you lap it up completely and sign your twelve year old daughter up for a bilateral mastectomy or you forever reject each and every one of the gender-bending lies for both children and adults.

I don't know why FAIR published this mealy mouthed essay. It's very disappointing to see FAIR cave into propaganda-lite.. And the propaganda grows more outrageous by the hour. A few days ago, the notorious femme faker, Mr. Dylan Mulvaney, stated that people who" misgender" people should be arrested. Dylan, it's you who should be arrested for "misgendering" yourself.

Beeswax's avatar

You’re so right about this article. Maybe one day we’ll be enlightened enough to get over our retrograde insistence on separate sex accommodations for girls and women? Even when they have no choice, girls will deny themselves water and avoid going to the bathroom ALL DAY in order to protect their privacy. Does the author get it?

Beeswax's avatar

The problem isn’t getting solved, but for a deeper reason. It’s one thing to have a group of petulant bullies — trans activists — demanding that their rights supersede those of all others. It’s another thing to see every institution of society acquiesce to their narcissistic demands as they steamroll over the rights of women and girls like we no longer matter. This is what female erasure looks like. I blame weak, corrupt liberals for allowing ideological bullying to overwhelm common sense: cowardly politicians, judges, school administrators, doctors, etc., for whom it’s simpler to betray the female sex than to seek a solution that would enable every child, regardless of genitalia, to go to the bathroom in peace. It could be done, if we cared about actual women and girls as much as we care about “trans children” who have been brainwashed to believe they were born in the wrong body.

5eyes's avatar

Institutions are not acquiescing to activists. Institutions and activists are being used in an effort to cloak trans as a civil rights issue. There is big money involved with medical technology and pharmaceutical industries driving government, ngo’s,academia, activists etc. to install the trans agenda. This is a top down initiative that is occurring globally and simultaneously. Grassroots activism does not have the kind of power to drive neither global nor simultaneous shifts of this magnitude. It’s the big global players that stand to gain incalculable profits influencing all the downstream institutions.

Brandy's avatar

You are right! We need to label them Penis, Vagina, and Anything goes.

MarkS's avatar

That would be illegal discrimination against "gender identity" under current law in most blue states, and nationwide if Democrats ever manage to pass the federal Equality Act (which is supported by ALL Democrats in Congress).

Brandy's avatar

Illegal discrimination against who? Adult Females? I mean, I get what you are saying, but at what point does it go so far over the line that it comes back full circle to actual females being discriminated against? I think the Dems picked this issue up because they played out their money grab with BLM last election and they need a new victim group. Does anyone ever notice once they secure rights for a people they immediately find a new victim?

Art's avatar

Any civilization that fails to protect children is a civilization in the process of collapse. A civilization that celebrates the victimization of children as virtue is in a state of conflagration.

George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

That's not the issue. The question is whether normal children have rights, or if only trans deluded children have rights.

Chris Nathan's avatar

I entirely grant your point, but there is a way to frame it which avoids the inflammatory “normal” and “deluded.” The question is whether the right to “feel safe” trumps the right to actually “be safe”. Segregated facilities protect the actual safety of all girls who benefit from them, but decrease the actual safety of only a tiny sliver of unusual and rare children. Since we need to provide a safe environment for all children - including that tiny sliver - the humane and decent thing to do is provide them some kind of accommodation that addresses the actual level of hazard involved. There are simple and workable solutions to this minor problem which do not require that we overhaul 150 years of well established and workable practice.

Steph's avatar

Imho, it’s a natural reaction to bullying the majority into submission - biological men in women’s sports, locker rooms and bathrooms, calling everyone who asks questions or disagrees a transphobe, same as anyone who questions re-segregating kids according to their “intersectionality” is a racist. 1984 didn’t end well.

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George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

I'm sticking with normal. Trans is a delusional state, and society has been cowed into giving them the "special" status by bullying. People like you make the problem worse. There is no evidence that the trannies are other than deluded, and the trannie delusion leads to self-harm, self-mutilation, and bullying of others.

Chris Nathan's avatar

It is possible that people who are looking to persuade rather than condemn are making the problem worse. I am, indeed, one of those people. However I would ask that you consider those times in your past when you changed your own point of view about an issue of public concern. Did the shift come about because you were persuaded that you were in error? Or did it come about because you were insulted or shamed into changing your views?

Nancy Sherman Robertson's avatar

George, you took the words right out of my mouth.

ClemenceDane's avatar

It is appalling. I have heard multiple stories from across the UK of girls not drinking water during the day so they can avoid the mixed bathrooms where boys deliberately pee on the seats or try to look under the stall doors. No one is taking their concerns seriously.

If I have children I would seriously contemplate home schooling for the first time in my life. I am left wing and not religious and I have always thought home schooling was a bad idea, especially for the socialization of children. But now I am not sure I would trust any school not to indoctrinate my child and expose him/her to dubious practices.

Adrienne's avatar

I’m also left wing and not religious, and I have been homeschooling my four children for 11 years now. Come join us! It’s not at all what you think it is. And the kids are plenty social. ;)

ClemenceDane's avatar

That's great to hear! I really like the idea of forest kindergartens. Been reading about them.

Nancy Sherman Robertson's avatar

Actually, there are nonreligious, homeschooling programs for high achieving children. You just have to look for them. And kids can enroll in group activities, too.

Ghoulardian's avatar

It strikes me that we can fully respect the rights of transgender persons without simultaneously infringing on the rights of the vast majority. For one thing, a fully intact biological male is not a "transgender girl" unless one believes that biological sex is a mere social construct. Permitting intact biological males to invade the spaces of the opposite sex in the name of inclusivity is the triumph of ideology over common sense, human experience, and biological science.

George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

Well, actually, that is not true. The trannie bullies demand that we cancel the rights of privacy for the normal kids. That's the exact demand. It's "We want to use the wrong-sex bathroom/locker room, and do not agree that there is a right to privacy for normal kids".

In fact, many trannie and trannie allies argue that the BENEFIT of the forcing of the trannies into the former single-sex space is to puncture the innocence of the child. They believe that the innocence is a false thing. This leads, pretty quickly, to defending pedophile sex.

Beeswax's avatar

The pedophilia observation is warranted. Here's a public Substack article by Kara Dansky regarding the recent election to the office of State Representative of a trans-identified man in Minnesota, who ran on a platform of making pedophilia a recognized sexual identity protected under the law:

https://karadansky.substack.com/p/a-minnesota-lawmaker-a-man-wants

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Polly Styrene's avatar

eww just looked leigh up. how are these freaks infiltrating society? it's sanctioned perversity.

Beeswax's avatar

When we elect people like that, it’s on us. What a tragedy.

Nancy Sherman Robertson's avatar

The trannies make many egregious demands. They want to forbid the use of the words mother and father. They use demeaning terms such as birthing parent, chest feeder, uterus haver and front hole haver in place of the word "woman." They demand that four and five year olds be taught they can change sex. They impose wrong sex pronouns that make a mockery of truth and logic.

George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

There was a long twitter feed from, I think, James Lindsay, in which he talks about queer view of the world, in opposition to the gay. The queer view is to tear it all down, and completely blow up things to reorganize society, much like the anarchists around 1880. For the queer view of things, childhood innocence is not only silly, but needs to be punctured to ensure that .... some damn thing or another. I'll find it.

Nancy Sherman Robertson's avatar

We need to bring back the old definition of the term "queer" which means "strange" or "peculiar." Queer is not a trendy compliment. It is a term of derision.

Sevender's avatar

Exactly. Queering society means making abnormal normal and vice versa. Gay rights was about being accepted into normal society. Lindsay is great but my, he does go on.

MarkS's avatar

I completely agree that "Permitting intact biological males to invade the spaces of the opposite sex in the name of inclusivity is the triumph of ideology over common sense, human experience, and biological science", but EVERY Democrat in Congress has voted for exactly that, multiple times (votes on the Equality Act, which would make instantaneous gender self-ID a matter of federal law).

Lydia Sorenson's avatar

Just a quick clarification, as my kids attend the school in Loudoun County where the rape occurred (followed by an assault by the same perpetrator at a neighboring school). At the time of the rape, the transgender policy had not yet taken effect and so the perpetrator (a "gender fluid" male) was NOT supposed to be in the girl's bathroom. He had snuck in there against school rules. So the truth is a little different than sometimes conveyed. BUT, in my opinion, it still shows the inherent vulnerability that females have when in private spaces with males.

NCmom's avatar

My husband and I have friends in that district. Their high school kids don’t use the bathroom at school. They have asked us if it’s the same here, and it is. Where we live there is a long line of cars at lunch at every high school in the county of parents picking their kids up at lunchtime pee because the kids are too terrified to go into the school bathrooms. There are also lots of health problems as a result.

Our own kids attend a top rankled private conservative k-12 school where biological sex determines sports and both room usage. Needless to say it has a long waiting list and high school homeschool is taking off.

Lydia Sorenson's avatar

Well, we have a different issue that has arisen - the way they decided to meet Policy 8040 (the transgender bathroom policy) was to add in single-use gender-inclusive bathrooms (in addition to the existing ones). The problem now is safety concerns because those single-use bathrooms .... lock. So kids get up to all kinds of shenanigans in those single-use bathrooms and also there's the danger of overdoes, assaults, etc. (and the teachers not being able to get into them quickly in case there is an issue).

NCmom's avatar

I think generally it’s the permissive behavior contributing. I mean, girls should be scared of dudes with a penis in a private enclosed area. It’s our instinct. They should not be conditioned to turn that innate fear off and lose their own comfort to coddle delusions. Period. But I do think the bad stuff, at least at public schools here, goes beyond just the sex denialism. That’s more a symptom.

My kids’ school has over 1200 students. They don’t have fights. They don’t have people disrupting class. They aren’t scared of the bathroom because the kids know 💩 shot is not tolerated. They do have one of the best programs for kids with learning disabilities in the country, and an accomplished alumni list to rival any birding or prep school in the country. The kids are grateful to go to school there. They LOVE the school. They respect it. And every damn one of them, from k to 12, knows that if they throw a punch or cuss at a teacher or turn into a disruptive turd that they will lose the place they love. The kids don’t walk around in terror (nor would they love it if they did). There isn’t a question a bathroom incident would get them instantly booted. So the kids are respectful and grateful and have high expectations of each other.

I feel like the public schools, at least here, have been trying so hard to feel bad for and coddle (rather than really help) the worst kids. They have just decided to let the future inmates run the asylum. It’s “racist” to demand good behavior. It’s not inclusive to expect kids to pay attention in class. It’s violating their rights to tell them no phones. All this bananas crap is not teaching the kids anything - not academics and not how to function. The bathroom stuff is partially this trans 💩, and partially that it’s an easy place to get attacked and when the teachers don’t tell kids to knock it off in front of their faces, they sure as heck aren’t going to help some kid in the bathroom getting attacked. The few teachers who do risk a beat down themselves. It’s really sad.

Beeswax's avatar

Gender is a construct. Sex is real. That’s all there is to it. Gender identity does not change ones sex. A boy who now identifies as a girl is still a boy. He has a penis and he doesn’t belong in the girls’ locker room. Give him his own tight and inconvenient tent to change in. This “solution” really blew my mind. Really? Do we devalue girls and women that much?

We’ve given ourselves permission to lie…why? In order to be kind? To whom? Certainly not to girls and women. Stop lying. Gender is a construct. Sex is real.

NCmom's avatar

I’d go further and say gender is made up nonsense. While there have been sex based norms, and descriptions, there have also been many exceptions in every society. When society doesn’t force roles based on sex, there are no universal personality traits, clothing styles, or hair styles. There are tendencies, but not forced expressions. Plenty of girls have short hair and boys have long hair. Plenty of girls play in the mug and boys prefer cleanliness. Clothing styles change all the time. The idea that liking a certain hair style or clothing or personality trait or hobby somehow comes together in in each of us differently both can’t be defined and is simultaneously some super real “gender” expression based on this ideology. It is crazy. If there are “genders” based on feelings and preferences and personality traits, there are 8 billion genders. It’s being a person and we all have our own mix of characteristics and choices. Sex is real. Gender isn’t.

Sevender's avatar

This is exactly so. Nouns have gender. People have sex. There is literally no evidence that has even been offered that the subjective experience of gender dysphorics is anything like the experience of being a woman. Dyphorics have no idea how a woman feels.

Tara Houle's avatar

Have a separate bathroom set aside from those who choose to use it, but same sex bathrooms must remain "as is". It's a hard won effort for women/girls, many of which previously suffered greatly and went to great lengths, fighting for our own space. It is not trivial to suggest they should now give it up, in the name of politics and out of touch legislation.

Parents need to fight for their kids. Pull them out of school if they will not listen to you. Bums in seats means $$ for the school, and they will respond accordingly. This is only a massive issue in North America...have we become so privileged that we can no longer understand the basics of humanity?

Tara Houle's avatar

It doesn't have to. Kids will figure this out in good time, as I'm sure many will end up in the courts, suing their parents for failing to protect them from puberty blockers and knife wielding surgeons which destroyed their lives.

We all have a right to be who we want to be. But to assume a young and impressionable child has the capability to make a life altering decision in the same capacity as an adult, is an abandonment of parental duty. Life is hard. Kids trying to escape that will only face bigger challenges later on in their life. It's our duty to prepare them for that.

MarkS's avatar

Your plan is AGAINST THE LAW in most blue states, which ban discrimination against "gender identity".

That is, in those states (New York, New Jersey, California, Minnesota, Washington, etc etc), if I say I'm a girl, then I'm a girl, and I can use the facilities designated for girls, and no one can stop me.

Tara Houle's avatar

And who writes those laws? Legislation is governed by THE PEOPLE. The populace determines what we want. If you're unhappy, change it.

Manuel Lopez's avatar

Why are we supposed to pretend that these people do not have a mental disease? Like we are to pretend that the people living on the streets in LA and San Fran are not also sick? https://unherd.com/2023/04/is-trans-the-new-anorexia/

Leslie's avatar

I want to register my disagreement with your reading of the Bostock decision.

As I read the majority opinion and its analysis, the court held that - on the basis of the Price Waterhouse decision which prohibited use of sex-based stereotypes in employment under Title VII, the employer-defendants in Bostock were deemed to have discriminated against the male plaintiffs in hiring/firing on the basis of sex-based stereotypes - that men ought to be heterosexual, and that they ought not act like women (especially with respect to dress). The opinion made clear that the parties stipulated the existence of two sexes: male and female, and cited Price Waterhouse in support of the holding; Price Waterhouse addressed sex-stereotypes of women in employment decision-making (in that case, advancement). Which means Bostock should properly be understood as a "reverse sex-discrimination" case - and was rightly decided. No one should be subject to sex-stereotypes in employment under Title VII. I hope that FAIR will not contribute amicus filings using any other analysis of the holding of a case which appears to sex-based reasoning to keep employment decisions free from sex-stereotypes - for both women and men.

With respect to gender identity ideology - I certainly hope FAIR (and FIRE) will do whatever it can to protect the rights of women (and men) to assemble publicly and to openly air their views about the matter without fear of censure or violence. As an advocate for the rights and welfare of women and children, I consider gender identity ideology a men's sexual rights movement that is abusing the medical establishment and legal system to further its own agenda.

The facts:

There are men in women's prison cells (and consequent rapes).

Sexual and other assault victims are being compelled testify in language other than their own language (to wit: preferred pronouns) in court.

There are women who cannot obtain legal representation in malpractice cases against surgeon's experimenting on their bodies with disastrous results.

Regressive sex stereotypes have become the standard by which childhood is regulated, and the ordinary challenges of puberty have been pathologized.

Parents are at risk of losing custody of their children for attempting to protect them from the social contagion of gender identity ideology.

Citizens run the risk of losing employment for registering their dissent publicly, if they can, before they are banned from social media platforms. Women are subjected to violence in public fora for protesting in defense of women and children.

It's about time we legal professionals stand up to stop this nonsense.

Leslie Sudock, Esq.

Philadelphia

MarkS's avatar

Everything you say is true, in states where Democrats are in control and have passed laws allowing these atrocities. The filibuster has (so far) prevented similar federal laws from being enacted. But a Democrat majority in the Senate could end the filibuster.

So: vote Republican!

That's why I now do, after a half century as a Democrat voter and liberal activist.

Adrian Gaty's avatar

That New York nursery school story does have my jaw on the floor, wow. For anyone interested in this topic, y’all might like my latest at the federalist - you need to start vetting your child’s doctor on this topic now, before they secretly put your kid on hormones and it’s too late…

https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/28/prescription-for-parents-vet-your-childs-doctors-they-no-longer-deserve-your-trust/

Tom McKeithen Jr's avatar

While agree that more attention should be paid to long-held norms, trying to make special accomodations for the miniscule # of trans has backfired in several cases. A case in St. John's County Florida dragged on for 5 years. No telling how many millions have been wasted, when the student in question could have just used a gender-neutral restroom. The fact is that the progressive culture warriors will not rest until existing norms are completely overturned. No half-measures. See article below.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/01/02/attorney-blasts-courts-ruling-in-st-johns-county-transgender-bathroom-fight-conservative-activist-pleased/

ClemenceDane's avatar

I just spent an hour arguing in the comments section of a Washington Post article written by a trans woman. She was saying that humans are not sexually dimorphic, but rather that sex/gender is "a world of different possibilities." All of these people tried to clobber me with unscientific arguments, ad hominems, and "Are you a biologist? Do you know any trans families?"as if that were relevant. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/01/transgender-biology-brain-science-freedom/

Danny Alexander's avatar

This is society's 2+2=5 moment.

Deidre K's avatar

I wonder do women who trans to men feel unsafe in men’s bathrooms? We don’t hear about it? The trans activists have become bullies and don’t appear to want to acknowledge how they make women uncomfortable and feel unsafe. They shame women for their intolerance but dismiss the women’s feelings. If we are told not to feel unsafe then why do they feel unsafe in men’s restrooms? Women have to be aware all the time around men in vulnerable locations. It is just a fact of being a woman. We can’t confuse young girls so they become vulnerable just to appease a person who puts on woman’s face!

truthisnthate's avatar

Please stop saying ANTI-TRANS ACTIVISTS!

We are women's rights activists, specifically we advocate for the sex-based rights of women and girls. Female-only spaces are exclusively for women and girls, on the basis of sex (not gender) - all men are excluded, it doesn't matter if they are trans or not.

James FitzGerald's avatar

How to "accommodate" subjectivity towards long lasting objective physical harm??? Hmmmm