No, don't leave. Stay and speak the truth. They labeled Slover's editorial as opinion, so FAIR shouldn't be blamed. If good people leave the fight when encountering difficulty, goodness will lose.
Nonsense. Those that stood with FAIR from the beginning, donated, and spread the word are supposed to stand with the ideological downward spiral of what is has become. Just one shit show for self-flagellating progressives. We got scammed
I would recommend going back and reviewing FAIRs launch material led by really good decent folks that I still respect. Barri Weiss, I believe was one of the founding leaders, https://youtu.be/clSykQd_WSA?t=17 . I still follow Barri and believe she is doing excellent stuff.
While FAIR was promoted (based on how I understood it) to be collaborative effort that would allow diversity of thought regardless of political affiliation to be included in the broader effort with civil liberties as one of its core principles. As time went it appeared to just morph into one more dumping ground for the progressive lite bunch. Way too much promoting the same tired bunch of public intellectuals that includes folks like Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker and others that already have massive platforms. Good people but firmly influenced by a similar ideology. Relative to action and results, I see very little. FAIR developed some obnoxious alternative to CRT and critical race studies which indicates they don't have the stomach for a real fight. Same toxic garbage just kinder and gentler. They trash folks like Chris Rufu who in fact does fight and has results. The FAIR bunch while pretending to be inclusive has nothing but disdain for conservatives. I don't say that easily and only speak for myself. FAIR did promote the launching of local chapters and when I contacted those that were establishing our regional chapter it was made very clear to me from day one that they will use the FAIR franchise, but they have the authority to interpret and develop an autonomous strategy. I live in the west so please imagine what that would look like if you are not a progressive. Please make you own decision. The fight for civil liberties is real but results matter. Thanks for asking and good lucK.
Leaving doesnтАЩt stop another from speaking their opinion. Free speech means everyone has a platform to be heard without threats or cancelling from life, not that others have an obligation to listen.
My тАЬopinionтАЭ is that this article completely distorts the actual movie, intentionally misquoting it until I pointed it out, and makes assertions that are demonstrably false about both the movie and child gender тАЬtransitions.тАЭ
The kind of baloney propoganda pushed in this article is free and abundant. While IтАЩm not cancelling my subscription right now, the respect I once had for FAIR has mostly evaporated.
Absolutely! What is a Woman? actually highlights the absurdity of where we are today. Interesting to see no mention of the Canadian dad who has not been allowed to parent his child because the mother decided trans was the only way to go. The author wistfully says, "We can protect kids and families from unscrupulous doctors without prohibiting the responsible doctors from deciding what is best for their patients" is such BS because all who believe they are in the wrong body are affirmed immediately. My friend has been going through this with her biologically female child for several years, and doctors, like those exposed in the film, are happy to affirm, make loads of money, destroy families and most significantly ruin children's lives. This author's opinion is obviously tainted by a strong dislike for the filmmaker, or he would have included the adult trans man's (TRevoices) who knows he'll die young and forever need medical intervention.
Thanks for not leaving before writing the above. You have given me more to think about and as a result I will read the article again and look for a different perspective. This is a difficult issue for me. It seems so clear and yet so many have a very different view. I think our politics are probably similar, but I am trying to make sure I move beyond that to get a clear view of the opposing ideas. Thanks again for commenting.
Don't leave! We need to agree that we can all be here with differing opinions. We need your input just like his. I actually agree with Grayson that there are some who are "born in the wrong body" but this explosion of people with that idea is questionable, to me anyway.
As a chapter lead many of us are sick of these nonsensical тАЬmeet-in-the-middleтАЭ proposals. IтАЩm not okay agreeing that child abuse and mutilation is okay in special circumstances.
To compare the removal of a small portion of foreskin to chemical castration, sterilization, and the complete surgical or medical destruction of genital function is intellectually lazy.
Please google the word "mutilation". I don't think it remotely qualifies. I am circumcised and I am not aware of any negative effects while it has provided religious and hygiene benefits. That said, neither of my two sons are circumcised.
Alison, to me, 'born in the wrong body' persay, requires help, not the knife, not drugs. Solution is Not a travesty that others are not aware of - lying in public, deceiving the vast majority, no. That is how it all started. No.
This is absolutely my reaction. Indeed has this author penned for and/ or collaborated with a female to male FAIR Advisor to publish this?
I am troubled by this article in FAIR yesterday as it clearly states (I read it as such) that transitioning children very young can be a good option, the best even, for some kids. I have formed the opinion that no bodies should be altered medically and never should have been, these past multiple decades. That's my current conviction and I own it. And it took me two years to form it.
I agree--he is trying to be accepted and not focusing on truth. I'm leaving FAIR.
No, don't leave. Stay and speak the truth. They labeled Slover's editorial as opinion, so FAIR shouldn't be blamed. If good people leave the fight when encountering difficulty, goodness will lose.
Nonsense. Those that stood with FAIR from the beginning, donated, and spread the word are supposed to stand with the ideological downward spiral of what is has become. Just one shit show for self-flagellating progressives. We got scammed
I desire to know more, BORDERLAND, as I am a new arrival. Please tell more. I have no time to waste.
I would recommend going back and reviewing FAIRs launch material led by really good decent folks that I still respect. Barri Weiss, I believe was one of the founding leaders, https://youtu.be/clSykQd_WSA?t=17 . I still follow Barri and believe she is doing excellent stuff.
While FAIR was promoted (based on how I understood it) to be collaborative effort that would allow diversity of thought regardless of political affiliation to be included in the broader effort with civil liberties as one of its core principles. As time went it appeared to just morph into one more dumping ground for the progressive lite bunch. Way too much promoting the same tired bunch of public intellectuals that includes folks like Michael Shermer, Steven Pinker and others that already have massive platforms. Good people but firmly influenced by a similar ideology. Relative to action and results, I see very little. FAIR developed some obnoxious alternative to CRT and critical race studies which indicates they don't have the stomach for a real fight. Same toxic garbage just kinder and gentler. They trash folks like Chris Rufu who in fact does fight and has results. The FAIR bunch while pretending to be inclusive has nothing but disdain for conservatives. I don't say that easily and only speak for myself. FAIR did promote the launching of local chapters and when I contacted those that were establishing our regional chapter it was made very clear to me from day one that they will use the FAIR franchise, but they have the authority to interpret and develop an autonomous strategy. I live in the west so please imagine what that would look like if you are not a progressive. Please make you own decision. The fight for civil liberties is real but results matter. Thanks for asking and good lucK.
If you donтАЩt know that this isnтАЩt the organizationтАЩs position, maybe you should ask them what their stance is.
Leaving? Allowing someone to speak their opinion and you the opportunity to disagree all without personal attacks. That is why I am in FAIR.
Leaving doesnтАЩt stop another from speaking their opinion. Free speech means everyone has a platform to be heard without threats or cancelling from life, not that others have an obligation to listen.
My тАЬopinionтАЭ is that this article completely distorts the actual movie, intentionally misquoting it until I pointed it out, and makes assertions that are demonstrably false about both the movie and child gender тАЬtransitions.тАЭ
The kind of baloney propoganda pushed in this article is free and abundant. While IтАЩm not cancelling my subscription right now, the respect I once had for FAIR has mostly evaporated.
Yes. The article was filled with baloney. I can't understand why FAIR published it.
Precisely, why published, why?
Absolutely! What is a Woman? actually highlights the absurdity of where we are today. Interesting to see no mention of the Canadian dad who has not been allowed to parent his child because the mother decided trans was the only way to go. The author wistfully says, "We can protect kids and families from unscrupulous doctors without prohibiting the responsible doctors from deciding what is best for their patients" is such BS because all who believe they are in the wrong body are affirmed immediately. My friend has been going through this with her biologically female child for several years, and doctors, like those exposed in the film, are happy to affirm, make loads of money, destroy families and most significantly ruin children's lives. This author's opinion is obviously tainted by a strong dislike for the filmmaker, or he would have included the adult trans man's (TRevoices) who knows he'll die young and forever need medical intervention.
Agreed!
Ditto, thanks.
Thanks for not leaving before writing the above. You have given me more to think about and as a result I will read the article again and look for a different perspective. This is a difficult issue for me. It seems so clear and yet so many have a very different view. I think our politics are probably similar, but I am trying to make sure I move beyond that to get a clear view of the opposing ideas. Thanks again for commenting.
Don't leave! We need to agree that we can all be here with differing opinions. We need your input just like his. I actually agree with Grayson that there are some who are "born in the wrong body" but this explosion of people with that idea is questionable, to me anyway.
As a chapter lead many of us are sick of these nonsensical тАЬmeet-in-the-middleтАЭ proposals. IтАЩm not okay agreeing that child abuse and mutilation is okay in special circumstances.
Thank you
To compare the removal of a small portion of foreskin to chemical castration, sterilization, and the complete surgical or medical destruction of genital function is intellectually lazy.
You articulated much better than I. You got directly to the point. Am sick of leftist platitudes.
I think it is butchery, circumcision, as is female genital mutilation, fgm
Please google the word "mutilation". I don't think it remotely qualifies. I am circumcised and I am not aware of any negative effects while it has provided religious and hygiene benefits. That said, neither of my two sons are circumcised.
Alison, to me, 'born in the wrong body' persay, requires help, not the knife, not drugs. Solution is Not a travesty that others are not aware of - lying in public, deceiving the vast majority, no. That is how it all started. No.
This is absolutely my reaction. Indeed has this author penned for and/ or collaborated with a female to male FAIR Advisor to publish this?
I am troubled by this article in FAIR yesterday as it clearly states (I read it as such) that transitioning children very young can be a good option, the best even, for some kids. I have formed the opinion that no bodies should be altered medically and never should have been, these past multiple decades. That's my current conviction and I own it. And it took me two years to form it.
I gave up on FAIR months ago. It is very disappointing and to be honest I feel scammed.