No doubt and their interests should be part of the conversation. All I'm saying is that if men were more proactive about supporting progeny, or, if society censured or penalized men who did not support instead of letting them off scot-free, like it does now, the the number of abortions might go down.
No doubt and their interests should be part of the conversation. All I'm saying is that if men were more proactive about supporting progeny, or, if society censured or penalized men who did not support instead of letting them off scot-free, like it does now, the the number of abortions might go down.
As it currently stands, most people on the pro-life side want to punish the woman for promiscuity. But no one ever suggests that any penalty be levied upon the men who are promiscuous and who cause pregnancies.
I say this is as an ardent pro-choicer. I think in the end, it is the woman's right to choose and am confortable with a reasonable time limit unless the woman's life is in danger. However, I am stung by the unequal treatment that society levies on both parties of a pregnancy. There is a huge amount of hypocrisy here that is unaddressed.
If men wish to have a say in whether an abortion occurs when a woman gets pregnant then they must also submit to punishment if they refuse to support her. The woman is being punished by being forced to bear a child she doesn't want. The man must be punished as well, otherwise, it's unequal treatment under the law.
100% would love to see men be more responsible and be held to financially support and care for their children. Also support offering vasectomies and tubal ligation to adults (even subsidized).
I am pro-life, a Christian married to a ministry leader for 32 years, with 2 family members who volunteer at prolife centers. I know hundreds of pastors & thousands of Christians. I cannot say what each of these believes, but I assure you, I’ve never heard anyone teach that women ought to be punished if they get pregnant out of wedlock. Jesus himself did not condemn the “woman caught in adultery” (and ugh, in that account there is no mention of the man who obviously must have been caught too- because the world has had double standards for way too long!). Jesus said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” And of course, none could throw any because we all do things that are wrong. That is the stance I see most prolife people having. These centers offer all kinds of support for women and would also wholeheartedly like to see men step up to their responsibilities as well. The ones you referenced who want to punish must be a small fraction. I have no animosity toward the woman in an unwanted pregnancy, I just feel compelled to see the life of the child as valuable too.
I’m sorry if you have felt the sting of sexism. It has happened and it continues in some ways. I have felt it at times too. I personally think that 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
There is not an easy solution, but I appreciate having the discussion with you. Not sure if you believe in God or not, but with a kindly intent I say “May God bless you with peace and joy and love!”
You are kind and I like kind people, even when they differ from me politically. Kindness is the only way our world is going to hang together. Goddess speed to you as well!
No doubt and their interests should be part of the conversation. All I'm saying is that if men were more proactive about supporting progeny, or, if society censured or penalized men who did not support instead of letting them off scot-free, like it does now, the the number of abortions might go down.
As it currently stands, most people on the pro-life side want to punish the woman for promiscuity. But no one ever suggests that any penalty be levied upon the men who are promiscuous and who cause pregnancies.
I say this is as an ardent pro-choicer. I think in the end, it is the woman's right to choose and am confortable with a reasonable time limit unless the woman's life is in danger. However, I am stung by the unequal treatment that society levies on both parties of a pregnancy. There is a huge amount of hypocrisy here that is unaddressed.
If men wish to have a say in whether an abortion occurs when a woman gets pregnant then they must also submit to punishment if they refuse to support her. The woman is being punished by being forced to bear a child she doesn't want. The man must be punished as well, otherwise, it's unequal treatment under the law.
100% would love to see men be more responsible and be held to financially support and care for their children. Also support offering vasectomies and tubal ligation to adults (even subsidized).
I am pro-life, a Christian married to a ministry leader for 32 years, with 2 family members who volunteer at prolife centers. I know hundreds of pastors & thousands of Christians. I cannot say what each of these believes, but I assure you, I’ve never heard anyone teach that women ought to be punished if they get pregnant out of wedlock. Jesus himself did not condemn the “woman caught in adultery” (and ugh, in that account there is no mention of the man who obviously must have been caught too- because the world has had double standards for way too long!). Jesus said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” And of course, none could throw any because we all do things that are wrong. That is the stance I see most prolife people having. These centers offer all kinds of support for women and would also wholeheartedly like to see men step up to their responsibilities as well. The ones you referenced who want to punish must be a small fraction. I have no animosity toward the woman in an unwanted pregnancy, I just feel compelled to see the life of the child as valuable too.
I’m sorry if you have felt the sting of sexism. It has happened and it continues in some ways. I have felt it at times too. I personally think that 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
There is not an easy solution, but I appreciate having the discussion with you. Not sure if you believe in God or not, but with a kindly intent I say “May God bless you with peace and joy and love!”
You are kind and I like kind people, even when they differ from me politically. Kindness is the only way our world is going to hang together. Goddess speed to you as well!